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  To Newboy

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve just finished reading your book, couldn’t put it down!

  what a great work!

  it’s disgusting what the organization does in “god’s name”!!

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  Muddy Waters

  Diogenesister, I spotted 4 errors in your post to Keith. 🙃
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  To Newboy

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve just finished reading your book, couldn’t put it down!

  what a great work!

  it’s disgusting what the organization does in “god’s name”!!

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  Muddy Waters

  I’ve just finished reading your book, couldn’t put it down! What a great work!

  It’s disgusting what the Organization does in “God’s name”!! I could feel so much of your pain and bewilderment as I read your heartfelt, honest, candid words.

  Do you know, I really think a movie producer somewhere should get their hands on your book, it would make a fascinating movie, or even series! You have produced gold here, dear Mr. Keith Casarona.

  It is said that “truth is stranger than fiction” and this would make a great “based on a true story” drama and exposé that should be told.

  I am serious, please consider this!

  Like Leah Remini and her Scientology series, this would make a fascinating account of what goes on behind closed doors in the hidden world of JWs and their leadership and lifestyle.

  Thank you for putting pen to paper and recording this. Your memory (or journal keeping?) is impeccable.

  Amazing work. It really is a peek inside “the most holy of the holies” and so much more.
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  Jehovah provides guidance in the publications and in programs from the faithful slave!

  by stumbledbyothers in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this past weeks watchtower study, reminds us that jehovah provides guidance in the publications and in programs from faithful slave!

  now you hear from the platform that god has given us jw broadcasting and jw.org.

  lets see: thought wt says they have no special connection to god, nor special knowledge, they get no extra holy spirit, gods thoughts higher than mans???

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  Muddy Waters

  Remember this verse? Psalm 146:3 - “Do not put your trust in princes, nor in the son of man in whom there is no salvation.”
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  VIDEO - Memorial toast stuns Jehovahs Witnesses congregation!

  by John_Carter_1912 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i applaud this great and holy man!

  do you?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fstqepi9iu.

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  Muddy Waters

  I wish that when he does these hall blitzes or whatever he calls then, he would also mention something about the WT secretly joining up with the United Nations for 10 YEARS. And that WT has also secretly, paid out MILLIONS of dollars toward private settlements of child sexual abuse cases in their congregations over the years.

  And yes, I also noticed the extreme obesity of many of the members of this congregation. Some rather hefty fellows there. Many grey heads.
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  New Boy is out!

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well after 11 years it's finally out!.

  this book could have never have happened if not for the jwd web site and the wonderful people here!

  people who have helped so much with gathering the information that is in this book.

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  Muddy Waters

  Fantastic!! Congratulations!! I just bought the Kindle edition and can’t wait to read it! I’ve very much enjoyed your posts here and am so happy you’ve done a book.

  Great work, new boy/ Mr. Keith! 😄
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  Guided Meditations (Akashic Records)

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have listened to a couple of these in the past with varying degrees of sucess.

  one tape, many years ago, left me with memories of that i still have and can remember clearly today.. i decided to try one today that was a guided trip to the "akashic records".... i unplugged the phoneswitched off my mobilelaid on my bedheadphones onrelaxed...what happened next ?.

  well the tape "took" me to egypt, to the pyramids... then to the "great pyramid".. what popped into my mind next ?.

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  Muddy Waters

  Love new thoughts, thank you 💕
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  Canada CSA

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  2. friends

  by kristy woudstra.

  “i’ve given a lot of thought into how i should start this.

  i don’t really know if there is a good way to start it.

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  Muddy Waters

  The WT is so despicable... so accountable for all this by their policies and man-made decrees... they “weigh out the tenth of the mint & the dill & the cumin but forget the weightier measures of the law, namely love, kindness, and compassion...”

  Thank you for posting this.
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  When you were an active JW, did you ever have dealings with a pyramid scheme?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm not sure why this memory popped up, and i was wondering if any others, when they were still active jw had dealings with a pyramid scheme involving other witnesses in the organization?

  at the time it was 1993, and my husband and i were still newlyweds.

  once in a while, we would attend a neighboring congregation because that was where he grew up, and some of his family was still attending there at the time.

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  Muddy Waters

  YES! Omg, it was one of the things that actually helped to start waking me up.
  
  We got involved in "Melaleuca", and started going to some of their meetings, and lo and behold, would you believe, that many of their meetings were SIMILAR to the JW meetings!
  
  The same "sales pitches" and demonstrations, examples of how to "cold call", make placements / leave samples, find out what your customer is interested in, notice if they have kids, etc., keep track of your "magazines" (sales brochures, product info sheets), then praise and applaud your high sellers....
  
  Oh my god. It was spookily, eerily similar. At the time I tried to reason that "Satan hides things in plain sight, he will make the truth look like other things, or make other things look like the truth, blah blah blah...." and that all others were most likely copying the JWs for their best-est and most wonderful-est ways of doing everything.
  
  
  
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  JW at a thrift store....

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i was recently in a thrift store, looking through some of the stuff there, when another aisle over, somebody sneezed.. (as far as i know, nobody lost a meatball.... 😅🙃 ...).

  anyway, somebody sneezed.

  and somebody immediately said, “bless you!”.

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  Muddy Waters

  Hi everyone!! Thank you so much for your comments! I had to “post and run”, lol, so excuse me for not replying sooner.

  LV101 - I see you’ve got your answer about the meatball reference! LOL

  It’s from a song, “On Top of Spaghetti”, which is a remake/children’s version of the song, “On Top of Old Smokey”.

  The “Old Smokey” version went something like:

  On top of old smokey (a mountain)

  All covered in snow

  I lost my poor lover

  from a-courtin’ too slow….

  The “Spaghetti” version, which we loved as children, went like this:

  On top of spaghettiiiiiiiii

  All covered in cheese

  I lost my poor meatball

  when somebody sneezed.

  It rolled of the table

  and onto the floor

  and then my poor meatball

  rolled right out the door!

  It rolled in the garden

  and under a bush

  and then my poor meatball

  was nothing but mush.

  !!

  Pretty cute song. :)

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  And sir82 - lol, how true!! I remember saying some pretty absurd things and receiving equally incredulous looks, but “knowing” I was right and had “the truth” somehow kept me bumbling along… just like this poor woman in the thrift store!

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  Moster - cool, I’d not heard that one before!

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  blondie - omg, so true, the JWs, or their leaders, have truly become scribes and Pharisees.
  

  Straining out the gnat and gulping down the camel!! Blind guides. All falling into a pit. A pit of mindless repetition, boredom, judgment of others, sneering superiority. All found in their kingdom halls, full of nitpickers.

  Judging everything… your music, the books you read… the clothes you wear, your hair, oh my good. Everything.

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  Thank you, Phoebe! :)

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  john.prestor - I know!! I couldn’t believe her nerve either. I wonder if she knew the person who worked there. It didn’t *seem* so… but who knows. So very bizarre!!

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  Maria Nieves - so sad about the little child being corrected just for saying a nice little nothing-y thing.

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  Butyoucanneverleave - quite right. But of course JWs can’t just do something so normal or polite, lol.

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  clean ideas - Thank you for explaining the meatball reference! lol. I should have made that more clear in my post.

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  smiddy3 - Isn’t that true!! I never realized how superstitious JWs really are. I mean, take their wind chime thing. The toasting thing. The not saying bless-you after sneezing thing. No clinking glasses for toasts. No rice or confetti at weddings.

  The big issues of life are seen as “refuse” - garbage - to them (careers, education, etc.)

  Makes me very angry actually.

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  WingCommander - I loved that movie, What’s Eating Gilbert Grape! So surreal and sad.

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  sparky1 - hahaha! Yep. Gotta count time and report whatever morsel you can! They are so few and far between.

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  OrphanCrow - isn’t that true! (about some JWs shouldn’t go out in public! Yet I was one of them too! God, so self-righteous….)

  laughing my head off about Herbal Essences shampoo. JWs are sooooo uptight!!!!

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  tiki & johnamos - Great points!!! I think it would be awesome for people to say bless-you after a fart or belch! LOL

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  neat blue dog - Thank you. I hope her embarrassment makes her think a little bit about … everything!

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  redvip2000 - no, I didn’t go further with her. I may have asked a few more questions to keep her talking so foolishly. In the end I just felt very sorry for her. It was like looking at a version of me, years ago, when I so fervently believed it all.

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  OnTheWayOut - yes, you’d think that’s the most reasonable, and polite, way to reply. People are just showing a kindness. (now, how to get them to say bless- you after after other bodily releases? LOL!)

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  HappyBlessedFree - Yes, talk about exhausting and pointless. Their theology and doctrines are just another way to elevate themselves and separate themselves and look down at everybody else.

  It is GOOD to be FREE from them!!!

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  - Muddy
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  JW at a thrift store....

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i was recently in a thrift store, looking through some of the stuff there, when another aisle over, somebody sneezed.. (as far as i know, nobody lost a meatball.... 😅🙃 ...).

  anyway, somebody sneezed.

  and somebody immediately said, “bless you!”.

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  Muddy Waters

  So I was recently in a thrift store, looking through some of the stuff there, when another aisle over, somebody sneezed.

  (As far as I know, nobody lost a meatball.... 😅🙃 ...)

  Anyway, somebody sneezed.

  And somebody immediately said, “Bless you!”

  And just as quickly, a loud, strident voice: “NO!! NO, NO, NO! WE DON’T SAY THAT!!”

  (Millions of thoughts flashing in my head, at nano-second speed:

  - omg, a Witness! That person’s got to be a JW! Who else freaks out about saying “bless you” after a sneeze?!? And who is she talking to, anyway? - somebody with her, or to a stranger at the store? (!!!) omg, I’ve got to confront her! I’ve got to see what she has to say about hollering that sort of comment out publicly!!! And, really, isn’t it so nice, and sweet of someone to say “bless you”! It sounds so friendly and compassionate! Stupid Witnesses, with their demonic superstitious fears (the JWs taught that this expression came from a medieval time when people believed that demons jumped into your mouth when you sneezed, which is why another person quickly “blessed them”, but in modern day times, it just sounds, well, polite! Friendly. 😄 Soothing, even. A little moment of kindness from a stranger.)

  So anyway, I quickly pop round the corner and ask, all innocent and incredulous, “Why is that?”

  - and there is a huge, gigantic, unkempt woman standing in front of me (I do not judge her appearance, as this was also me some days, haha, or the way I used to be, before losing much of the weight... weight gained after I went on anti-depressants while being “one of the happiest people on earth” - a Jehovah’s Witness - but I digress again. And I still go out and about in strange disarray, but I don’t care, lol. What I do object to, regarding her appearance, is the way she is supposed to look while representing her most holy god and supreme ruler and deity of the universe, Jeho-blah....)

  She blinks at me. I am sure to look her over very carefully up and down. Mean of me! I know! But I knew this would rattle her, because of the way she knows she’s supposed to look while ‘witnessing’ or ‘giving a defense’, etc., so I knew I had her at a great disadvantage.

  I can see the wheels turning, the gears chugging along in her head as she tries to figure out how to answer me. Does she admit to being a JW while I’ve caught her out and about in her state of disarray?

  And how does one answer a stranger about this weird JW bless-you thing... about demons jumping into mouths and such and bless-you becomes such a bad thing to say?

  Just how is she supposed to answer me after her stupid booming outburst of JW-ish-ness...? She gets nervous and rattled. She looks around uncomfortably. Pretends to not know what I’m talking about. “Why.. is what?”

  Perhaps hoping I’ll politely go away. But of course I don’t! Hee hee!

  “I’m wondering why you didn’t want that person to say ‘bless you’.”

  (I also noticed that the other person was a STAFF member! She was bellowing like that to a person who worked there!! I’m starting to wonder if maybe she has something wrong with her, you know, perhaps she’s not quite right, on the spectrum or whatever, who knows... maybe she just can’t help herself... or maybe she even knows this person, but I just had the vibe that she was filled with “righteous zeal” (zeal for her Jeho-blah...)

  She starts to stutter. Stammer. Looks down at the floor. Looks back up.

  I am still there.

  “Well, I’m one of Jehovah’s Witnesses...” (She said it!! She actually said it! I almost can’t believe it! But she’s looking very embarrassed (at her appearance? at her ridiculous beliefs? at her silly outburst? I don’t know her to know...)

  But here she is, looking very embarrassed, mumbling, trying to explain, to “give a witness” and I had to admire her zeal.

  “... and we believe that saying bless you comes from an ancient superstition...”

  I am opening my eyes wide in utter disbelief and shock at hearing such wild, crazy things (I have very expressive, large eyes, 👀 lol, and I know my eyes, when opened really big, can be a bit spooky - think ending of original “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”, though, thank goodness, I am somewhat prettier)

  And she actually goes there!!! To me, a complete stranger, in the middle of this store, she says:

  ”... an ancient superstition which believed that when you opened your mouth, demons would enter your body ...”

  (She also explains why people clink glasses together before toasting, it is to scare those mighty & powerful demons away with these little glass clinks... and is, of course, why JWs also don’t toast or clink their glasses together. She knows her JW superstitions! Boy oh boy, those JWs are brave souls who either: have no fear of demons, or are so afraid of demons they can’t shit straight. Anyway. )

  So here I am:

  👀🙀

  and she’s all 👹👺🤡👽☠️💀👻👿🤖

  and in the end, she could barely look me in the eye, she sort of sputtered and muttered to a halt and I said something like,

  “... wow...”

  and that was about it.

  😄